werewolf XII - Day 1 (ends midday Thurs)

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Post by jeff » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:14 pm

christianmoura wrote:TaleSpinner is not a Wolf
TaleSpinner is the Seer

Please tell me what this means.

These were my actual N0 actions. Talespinner is by far the craftiest wolf, so when in doubt he needs to be lynched.
My thoughts exactly.
I still haven't worked it out yet.

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Post by christianmoura » Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:31 pm

Why would I lie? Odds are I am an innocent villager. I would not assume I am a wolf, and play to confuse y'all.

If Redturtle is correct, I am the seer. Shouldn't have jumped the gun and revealed my sighting before I actually read Stompy's clarifications.

Did I just sign my death warrant on my first post?

:smt073

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Post by Stompy » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:14 pm

Vote Tally:
Talespinner 1 = jeff(1)
jeff 1 = redturtle(2)

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Post by Fernando » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:38 pm

... Gosh this variation is difficult! :-k

Ok, what we have so far:

:arrow: Jeff

- Talespinner is a Wolf
- Talespinner is not the Seer

:arrow: Jttm80

- Talespinner is a Wolf
- Annawid is a Seer

:arrow: Redturtle

- Jeff is not a Wolf

:arrow: Talespinner

- Jttm80 is not a Wolf
- Jeff is the Seer

:arrow: Christian

- Talespinner is not a Wolf
- Talespinner is the Seer

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Post by Fernando » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:27 am

My N0 view:

Fernando is not a Wolf
Fernando is the Seer

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Post by TaleSpinner » Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:55 am

Fernando wrote:My N0 view:

Fernando is not a Wolf
Fernando is the Seer
And that, my friend, is shooting yourself in the foot.

Fernando is not a Wolf means that:
a) Fernando is the Seer and not a Wolf, or
b) Fernando is not the Seer and a Wolf.

I believe that christianmoura is the Seer since his N0 view showed me a not a Wolf. Therefore, (a) is untrue, and Fernando is a WOLF!

Vote Fernando.

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Post by christianmoura » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:05 am

vote fernando

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Post by TaleSpinner » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:11 am

Of course, christian's a smart bloke. He could have worked out from his N0 view that he was a Wolf, in which case he played the ignorant player and posted results that made him look like the Seer...

In which case, I'd be glad to lynch christian in D2 if Fernando turns out not to be a Wolf.

Has anyone else viewed Fernando or christian?

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Post by TaleSpinner » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:14 am

TaleSpinner wrote:jttm80 is not a Wolf. This means that I'm either the Seer and jttm80 is NOT a Wolf (4/6 = 66% chance) , or I'm not the Seer and jttm80 is the Wolf (2/6 = 33% chance). Probability says that I'm most likely the SEER, particularly if someone else had a positive "WOLF" result on jttm80.
I just realised that if I'm NOT the Seer, then jttm80 must be the other Wolf! :shock:

Has anyone else viewed jttm80?

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Post by TaleSpinner » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:20 am

Does anybody else realise that we're ALL, in fact, Seers in this game? If you're NOT the official Seer, then any "is not a Wolf" result you get actually means that you've found a Wolf. The key is to figure out who you really are - are you the real Seer or not?

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Post by Stompy » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:58 am

Vote tally:
Talespinner 1 = jeff(1)
jeff 1 = redturtle(2)
Fernando 2 = Talespinner(3),christianmoura(4)

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Post by redturtle » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:59 am

Hang on that means we got 3 results of *** is not a wolf.

Cause I got Jeff is not a wolf, and I dont think I am the seer.


Wait a second, Jeff got Talespinner is not the seer.

That is a true result as Christian is the seer.

does that mean the following?
Jeff is the sorceror.
Fenrando is a wolf
Jttm80 is a wolf.

unvote jeff

vote fernando
Get a grip!

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Post by jeff » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:49 am

I think this game is broken....

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Post by TaleSpinner » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:57 am

Obviously, someone has started feeding false information to us. We've got to figure out who.

I'm inclined to believe the first two statements from Jeff and jttm80, mainly because they posted early before anyone realised the implications of the N0 results. Add this to my own N0 results (which I know are true) this gives us the following facts:

1) TaleSpinner is not a Wolf.
2) If TaleSpinner is the Seer, jttm80 is not a Wolf and jeff is not the Sorceror.
3) If TaleSpinner is not the Seer, jttm80 is a Wolf and jeff is the Sorceror.

christianmoura's post essentially is a Seer claim. Only a Seer could have gotten a "TaleSpinner is not a Wolf" result in conjuction with jeff's and jttm80's statement. If he's not the Seer, he's lying about his N0 result.

Fernando's post is also a Seer claim. If he's not the Seer, he's a Wolf. He could also be lying about his N0 result, although I find it hard to believe that someone would deliberately lie and shoot himself in the foot like that intentionally, especially after christianmoura's Seer claim.

To put it into good old WW terms - we've got 2 Seer claims. We don't lynch Seer claims, so we can't lynch christianmoura or Fernando until we figure out who is who.

What we CAN do is lynch jttm80. If we know that either Fernando or christianmoura is the real Seer, that means that TaleSpinner can't be the Seer. Which means that jttm80 is 100% Wolf and jeff is 100% Sorceror.

Unvote Fernando
Vote jttm80

Ultimately, because this is a Role Reveal game, we'll know who is lying and who is not in D2. If jttm80 turns out to be not a Wolf, that means that TaleSpinner is in fact the Seer and christianmoura and Fernando were both lying for some reason. If jttm80 turns out to be a Wolf, we can then get down to the business of deciding between Fernando and christianmoura.

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Post by Stompy » Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:14 am

Sorry all I stuffed up.
I sent 2 incorrect PM's to a couple of the players.
I've re-sent the correct PM's to those players

The idea I had is turning out to be even more convoluted than I thought it would be!

If you don't want to continue I'll understand.
If we are continuing would you like me to name those players I've re-sent PM's to? They could then decide whether to disclose the result's I've given them or not.

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